Talk:Diving (sport)

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There's a place in South America somewhere where people go "cliff diving" from a 30 metre cliff into a natural pool. Anyone know where it is?

  • Perhaps the commenter is thinking of La Quebrada near Acapulco, Mexico on the Pacific coast? (Thu. 8/28/03 17:00PDT)

Re: The dual meaning of "diving." Other western languages also use one word (eg, plonger, bucear) to denote both activities. Speculation: this dual meaning could have originated with Greek, as before the introduction of external air supplies the procedure used by sponge-gatherers in the eastern Med was to take a headlong flying jump off their boat while carrying a heavy rock. Once underwater at their desired depth they released the rock, which was hauled back up on a line, and went about their business as long as their breath held out, then swam for the surface to repeat the procedure. (Thu. 8/28/03 17:15PDT)

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Could we refer as "jumping" to disambiguate, e.g. "diving" to denote going underwater and "jumping" to denote the above-water part, e.g. if you just want to get the thrill of jumping off the 5m cement tower but not really get all the scuba equipment, etc., to dive under the water.??? Glogger 04:14, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Boys Own

How can this possibly be fair use, assuming it isn't GFDL? Is it public domain? Toby Woodwark 02:14, 2004 Jul 28 (UTC)

Published late 19th century , so it will be public domain. There's a copy on http://www.publicbookshelf.com/ from which this text was presumably copied. It could really do with rewriting into Wikipedia style though. sjorford 07:48, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

OK, I've integrated some of the boys' own stuff into my attempted rewrite. Edit please! Also, someone can nuke this section of the chat. Toby Woodwark 13:48, 2004 Jul 28 (UTC)

Leave the links in! Somebody (me, for instance) might find them interesting or useful... Trekphiler 15:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Learning how to enter pool without hurting too much

I just learned how to swim recently (as an adult, around the same time I did my doctoral dissertation), but only gently climbed in by ladder, never jumping off the side. More recently I tried off the side (0m) and then the 5m height at Summerville (Toronto); they only have 0m, 5m, and 10m (they took out the flexible spring-loaded apparatus of 1m and 3m long ago because it was deteriorated).

The first time I tried I went head first which I thought might be as streamlined as possible but I could not seem to get my legs straight. I tried 4 times, but bruised, took 20 days for bruises to go away. So I tried feet first, which seemed to hurt less, actually, though it's counter-intuitive. Why would it hurt less to go feet first since there's more parts of the body that get hit? (Main pain seems to be genitals and nose perhaps because they're going the "wrong way" when going feet first.)

Also a lifeguard suggested I try to intertwine my legs in feet first (he called it "impact jump"). Can anyone confirm if this is a standard method of entry? I don't see many of the others going in that way.

I found there was a 1m, 3m, and 5m at the University of Toronto so I tried the 1m and 3m, but seem to have tremendous pain in ears even with 1m. It feels like landing in an airplane, when it descends fast. It doesn't matter head first or feet first, same amount of pain. I added my thoughts on ear plugs to the Wikipedia entry, but maybe someone more experienced than I can confirm if this is correct, e.g. that earplugs should be worn. For some reason, though, my ears never did hurt when I did the 5m at Summerville, but later even just 1m hurt like crazy. Could it be time-varying? (Some days hurt, other days not???). Or maybe it was just that my first few tries were so uncoordinated that I wasn't going deep, even from 5m up.

Thoughts on how to hold nose if going feet first? I added my own empirical findings (using second hand to hold first in), but would also welcome other input on this matter. I see alot of children go feet first without holding their nose. I tried this even from 1m, and was not able to blow out enough to keep water out enough. Is this learned or does it just happen naturally in certain people, e.g. 4 year old children who go off the 5m don't seem to have any problems at all. Maybe it could be explained why children have no problems at all, but adults bruise, have splitting ear aches that last more than 12 hours after impact, etc.. Some more introductory "how to learn" kind of info is what I'd really find useful in the Wikipedia. Glogger

  • I have been competitively swimming for 10 years now. The key to keeping water out of your nose is experience and practice. Actually blowing air out of your nose is not ideal as it uses up your oxygen supply. When you hold your nose as you jump you push all the air out of it. If you don't hold your nose, but hold your breath instead, you should find that, so long as don't invert your head, the water will mostly be kept out of your nose by the air trapped inside it. The Olympic style divers hold their breath during their dives and usually release their air all at once as they swim back up to the surface. As for your ear problems... This is something that varies person to person. It is related to the pressure sensitivity of your ears. This pain is caused by a difference in pressure between the air in your ear canal and the pressure behind your ear drum. There is a way to equalize this by moving your jaw. So, "How to Learn": Place your fore and middle fingers, both hands, on your head just in front of your ears. You should feel the upper-back most part of your jaw. Keeping your fingers there, lower your jaw then jut it forward. This should give you some sense of how your jaw placement affects the volume of your ear canal, and therefor the pressure. You may be able to hear a muffled pop as you do this. That sound is the air pressure equalizing. There is a positioning of the jaw which allows for practically immediate and constant equalization to occur as you go down. This technique is used by abalone divers in Hawaii according to my marine science teacher. As for bruising, I really don't know what more I could tell you. The lifeguard's suggestion to intertwine your legs and feet—I assume this means something similar to crossing your ankles and straightening your legs—was probably because your legs and feet were coming apart as you fell. This could explain the pain in your genitals as there would be nothing breaking the water for them so they would receive the same impact as your feet. As you noted, reducing surface area is a positive thing. If you really want to pursue diving, or even just high jumping, getting a bathing suit which is tight fitting would probably solve the problem of genital pain. Most, if not all, of the divers I know wear a spandex or similar type of suit, even if it is under looser swimming shorts. If you are worried about appearances, these divers I'm referring to are by all accounts normal teenage boys. If they don't feel deterred in their hormonal quest to attract the opposite, then, in my opinion, we shouldn't have qualms about it either. I hope this was of help to you. If you have other questions or want a more detailed response, please feel free to contact me.WAvegetarian 06:05, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As a competitive diver for 12 years, and the girl in the picture in this article, I feel fairly qualified to comment. When jumping, competitive divers generally don't hold their noses at all. However, when I was teaching adults to jump off platform and they were concerned, I would have them hold their nose with one hand and cross their other arm over their chest to keep everything close to their body and keep them as streamlined as possible. When jumping or diving, you should always go for what you are trying to achieve as hard as possible. Jump as high as you can, it sounds counterintuitive but, the higher you jump, the more control you have. This may help to alleviate some of the "smacking" (hitting the water in unintended positions, generally parallel) problems. If you are going to attempt diving off of the platforms again, try this for your entry. Place one hand out in front of you with your palm facing away. Take your other hand and grap onto your fingers. Pull back gently so that you create a flat surface. This flat surface will hit the water first and break up the surface tension meaning you are less likely to hit your head on the water. Also, go for a medium shallow dive on your first couple of attempts, steeper angle than a racing dive, but not quite straight up and down. Getting straight up and down can be very hard, especially with only a 5m and nothing to build up to it on and may be part of why you were smacking your legs. The keys to diving safely are to go for it and to stay tight. Most injuries occur when people back out in the middle of a dive, or when they allow themselves to get loose. So as you enter the water remember to squeeze your arms against your head, hold your stomach and butt muscles as tight as possible and point your toes, this will help to keep your body in a straight line and minimize the chances of smacking. Good luck. (Megan)

clean up Learning section (explanation)

This section was written by someone who is/was still trying to learn how to dive (jumping off of high things). I feel that it could do with a rewrite from someone who is more knowledgeable about diving (competitor maybe) and would have some tips for people trying to learn as opposed to a collection of various methods tried by someone in the process of self teaching. It seems rather informal and unencyclopedic. I think it could benefit from a bit of a rewrite with more info. I realize that it's considered bad form to tag for clean up and not participate, but I don't really have expertise in the matter as I am a swimmer, not a diver. WAvegetarian 07:01, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Suggested Split

It seems that there are two articles here, on two different subjects--the article is already formatted with this in mind, so an official split should not be hard. One subject is (broadly) swimming underwater; the other is jumping into the water. Further splits might be possible (such as underwater swimming done by humans vs animals; competitive diving vs cliffjumping and such, etc).

In addition, a few other uses of the word diving (or dive, which should redirect here) might be worth mentioning on a disambiguation page:

  • In soccer, faking an injury to fool the ref into calling a foul (or to stall the game) is called diving.
  • "Taking a dive" refers to intentionally throwing a match in sports, usually boxing.
  • Things like "dive bar" and such.
  • Dumpster diving

--EngineerScotty 01:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Might I suggest Renaming it "Springboard Diving and Platform Diving" instead of just diving

--Hanyu Xia 12:30, 30 November 2005

Suggested Split

I like the concept of "Springboard and Platform Diving" as a catagory except that's a pretty long entry title, and it leaves out cliff diving. Perhaps dividing this entry between "Competitive Diving" (or even "Exhibition Diving") and "Underwater Diving" might work, especially with a disambiguation page.

-Rick Obermeyer, 15 December 2005

Diving

Two of us re-wrote diving to conform to the athletic sport of diving. What do you think?

A HUGE improvment! Added text to the link for the USA diving page .Dive614c 04:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Added a page with a 3 level tower image for Diving Platforms and linked it to the Diving page.Dive614c 13 January 2006

What is the name of this "sport"

People dress up like clowns and fall down 10 meters in comical ways ending in a splash of water. Someone might even walk on stilts and act like he falls down accidentally. Usually a group of kids gives ratings for the jumps and the clown with the highest score is declared the winner. Lapinmies 11:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, this would be nice to know. For now the finnish article fi:Pellehypyt points to this article. But I could not find anything about these 'clown divings' here. 85.217.22.47 (talk) 19:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

move

This should be moved to something else and turned into a disambiguation page. I wanted to find Diving (football) and I assumed this would be about Scuba diving with a disambiguation link at the top. Jooler 10:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I see some anon removed the disambig link at the top about a month ago. I have restored it. Jooler 10:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Learning how to dive?

First time I dove off a diving board was 4 weeks ago; its a really springy board and I've gotten good bouncing high off the end of the board and entering the water "layed out" straight. But today's attempts at flips were painful disasters; I kept landing on my back or side. I tried a pike, and tried tucking into a ball, with no success. Should I just keep at it, will I "get it" eventually? Are there hints? suggestions? Is there a web site listing a set of graduated exercises and dives?

What about risks? Aside from the life-gaurd yelling "no gainers" at some of the divers, what else? Age-related risks? I'm, uhhh, getting old ... linas 03:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I recommend finding a qualified coach who will teach and keep you safe. (anon)
Uhh; thank you. ... well, that costs money and requires things like "dedication". I work on weekdays; I ride my bike to an outdoor pool on Sundays and would like to keep it simple like that. Driving a car to accomodate to the schedule of a coach at a chlorinated pool is kind-of the opposite of "fun". linas 20:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
If you are trying flips, I suggest trying them standing first, no bounces. Think about the physics of what you're doing, throwing your arms downward while popping your heels up behind you . . . this creates angular momentum which when you tuck or pike increases to increase your rate of rotation (dumbed down physics, obviously). I learned them by doing "watermelons" first, getting into a little ball at the end of the board and rolling off. If you stay in a ball, from 1m or lower you shouldn't get hurt, and you'll get the idea of how it should feel. For what it's worth, that's me on the front page, so apparently self teaching to a point, including front flips, followed by coaching works. Good luck, stay safe. (Megan)

Diving techniques

I created an article on diving techniques. (It's a long story involving New Pages patrol and a contested prod.) I know next to nothing about diving, and the article is in a sorry state and could use a lot of help from those knowledgable about the subject. Thanks! --Ginkgo100 talk · e@ 22:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Cliff diving info?

'Cliff diving' redirects to this page, but there's no actual information on cliff diving here. I'd like to see some, especially on how they survive diving that far into the water; I was under the impression hitting water became much like hitting concrete at those heights...

Yes, either the redirect needs to be removed or this article needs to actually address cliff diving (or any form of high diving, for that matter). Jhhays (talk) 01:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I had the same problem with "high dive". There's not even use of the phrase "hive dive" in the article. Jason Quinn (talk) 15:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
The article currently reads, "Outdoor diving typically takes place from cliffs or other rock formations either into fresh or salt water." This certainly is inadequate and needs to be expanded, but it is incorrect to say that there is no information here. Cnilep (talk) 21:32, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Also missing is fi:Pellehypyt, literally "clown diving". The jumpers dress like a clown and/or make funny-style jumps. Strange thing here is as it was stated above, that the finnish article goes to this 'Diving' article, yet there is nothing about it. 82.141.93.98 (talk) 23:29, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

With distinction

Anybody think it's worth including competitive springboard prohibits handstand dives, allowed in platform? Trekphiler 15:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

This is now included in the section "dive groups". DaveApter (talk) 15:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Scoring the Dive

I've added a brief definition of DD as it wasn't included on the page, but I am far fro many kind of exspert. Does some one more knowledgeable want to review it. Ideally it needs a fuller explanation, along with the way dives are pre-chosen, perhaps in the Dives Group section. There is alot of good detail here but not enough explanation, on how things work, for those who know nothing of the sport.

Horribly insufficient to the novice reader. Guessing each dive is scored on a 10.0 (10.00, 10.000?) basis. Someone can surely append. Pasadena91 (talk) 22:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Bellyflops and Cannonballs diving competitions.

I know they aren't professional sports... but there are diving competitions for Bellyflops and Cannonballs. Some are even televised on ESPN. Should those be added into the non-professional diving section (along with a description of what they are). Antmusic 22:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Speed and Impact?

I'm trying to determine the speed of a diver when he hits the water, and the force they feel when the water decelerates them.

Wikipedia says that air resistance is negligible. Then the diver is falling with an acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2. If he dives off a 10 meter board, then he'll fall 10 meters and reach the water with a speed of 14 m/s. That's 31 MPH.

Normally the figures quoted are 22mph from 5m and 35mph from 10m. DaveApter (talk) 15:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Say the pool is over three meters deep ( How deep are pro diving pools supposed to be? ). So the diver has 3 meters for the water to slow him down. That means his decelleration is 32.7 m/s^2. That's over three times the force of Gravity. Let's say he has a mass of 70 kg ( 154 lbs weight ). That means the pool water will exert a force of 2290 Newtons, the weight of 230 kg mass.

Are my numbers correct? If so, then geez, a 2290 Newton force doesn't kill the guy?!? Yikes. While I'm asking, does anyone know how fast the diver would decelerate to zero speed if he hit concrete, or how far would he move in the concrete vs the 3 meters he moves in the water?

Thanks Inkan1969 17:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not qualified to do those calculations, but I know that 3 meters is far to deep for a 10 meter dive, I'll try to remember over the break to take a look at how deep the minimum is. Another thing you might want to note is that some divers will "plane out" after they hit the water, which extends the distance they travel before hitting the bottom. Kessen (talk) 21:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Depths

A few comments on the above -

  1. Most competition pools are 5m deep for 10m platform and 4m deep for 5m platform or 3m springboard. These are currently the FINA recommended minimum depths. Some are deeper, eg 6m for the diving pit at Sheffield, England.
  2. Diving from 10 and maintaining a downward streamlined position, results in gliding to a stop at about 4.5 - 5m.
  3. High standard competition divers rarely go more than about 2.5m below the surface, as they roll in the direction of the dive's rotation. This is a technique to produce a clean entry.
  4. Attempting to scoop the trajectory underwater against the rotation is extremely inadvisable as it can cause serious back injuries.
  5. Hitting the water flat from 10m brings the diver to rest in about 1 ft. The extreme decelleration causes severe bruising both internal and external, strains to connective tissue securing the organs and possible minor heamorrage to lungs and other tissue. Very painful and distressing, but not life-threatening. DaveApter (talk) 15:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
We'll I never did find any definate information, but at a pool in Calgary Alberta the diving tank was 5.0m deep. This pool had all of the diving boards and blocks of all sizes at it.
We do need someone to research and cite what the diving depths required are sometime, my one example does nothing to better this article, other than give you a little more peace of mind when calculating numbers. Kessen (talk) 16:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
You can find this information in the FINA handbook - Competitions and Facilities section. It will also be available from your National Swimming governing body (eg the ASA in England). You will find the recommended depths to be as I stated above.DaveApter (talk) 15:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Really? Is that because the water exerts a constant pressure on you when you hit it, and you have a lot more surface area and therefore a lot more force when you hit flat? And I always thought pro-diving frowned on bellyflopping just because it wasn't aesthetically pleasing. :-) Thanks very much for this info. Inkan1969 (talk) 21:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

As one that performed for several years in high-diving shows, I can assure you that a "crash" from a 10 meter platform can be not just painful, but very serious. One man I worked with suffered a collapsed lung and back injuries, requiring a week in hospital. Regarding pool depth, 3 meters is plenty deep enough, if you're careful. High-divers regularly dive from heights 100 feet into 3 meters of water. 68.145.3.132 (talk) 05:54, 14 November 2008 (UTC) Rick Stevenson

The depths quoted above (5m deep for a 10m platform and 4m deep for a 5m platform) are the FINA recommended minimum. They would not generally be reduced as they would leave the pool operators open to negligence accusations and could not be covered by insurance. Although most experienced high divers could generally dive into 3m safely, this requires skill and application. The specified depths provide for the laws of physics to bring the diver to a standstill before hitting the bottom of the pool. DaveApter (talk) 20:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Safety

I came across a Google Book that might be useful to this discussion, the URL is http://books.google.com/books?id=WHKvDcGxAqUC&pg=PA63&lpg=PA63&dq=high+school+athletics+risks+diving&source=web&ots=7ENGmWG3VG&sig=mAnC_11x2CQmJBf_l0m3qC-IOb8 Pbutts (talk) 23:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Inaccuracy - sources?

"Masters' Diving events are normally conducted in age-groups of 5 or 10 years"

I highly doubt that the Master's Diving in age-groups of 5 or 10 years. This is very misleading as to me it communicates: "5 or 10 year olds", and I don't think that is what the author is trying to say here.

Also- sources?!

--Zybez (talk) 04:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

"Masters' Diving" events are competitions for people over the age of those generally competing seriously in national or international championhips. Most entrants are former competitors who have retired from mainstream contest, but some may be people who take the sport up later in life. The starting point of the age range and the width of the bands is a matter of choice by the organiser, but usually they are from age 25 upwards, and are split into either 5 or 10 year bands; eg 30-39, 40-49 etc, or 30-34, 35-39 etc, depending on the number of competitors. DaveApter (talk) 16:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Name confusion

The dual meaning of diving is really annoying. When you say diving, people think of underwater diving. When sports programs, TV programs, etc. are translated from English to other languages that have differrnt words for the two sports, then diving is mistranslated to underwater diving 99% of the time.

It is probably not the role of Wikipedia to suggest new words for the English language, but Wikipedia should refer to terminology discussions elsewhere and tell if alternative names have been suggested. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.184.27.253 (talk) 08:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC) 

- In Finnish this sports is called "Uimahyppy", Swim Jump. The underwater diving, with or without apparatus, is called "Sukellus", Diving.

Amaeela (talk) 00:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Image meaning

The article explains that this means "no diving". However, according to me, it might as well mean "no jumping head first". What do you think? --Ysangkok (talk) 16:13, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

How can this mean "no diving" when the guy is not even diving? he is JUMPING, this is clearly a "no jumping" sing... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.130.153.0 (talk) 10:31, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Change the image for "Twisting"

This is a much better picture. Can someone with access please upload this one instead?

http://i53.tinypic.com/2ex7j0n.jpg

the caption would be "Back twister on 10m platform". —Preceding unsigned comment added by LouSchiff (talk • contribs) 01:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Only if it's freely-licensed, per our image use policy. Also see Wikipedia:Upload. Graham87 14:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Diving vs Underwater diving

According to Wiktionary 'diving' is both 2. The sport of jumping head first into water.
and 3. The practice of swimming underwater, especially using a scuba system, and especially for recreation.
So underwater diving is either: 2. underwater jumping into water or 3. underwater swimming underwater
Neither makes any sense. You cannot jump underwater into water and the other is redundant, since the other meaning of diving already includes underwater in it. In rather same way one could talk about racial racism. 85.217.22.47 (talk) 19:31, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

What I don't understand is why this one has been selected as the primary one of these. As someone noted above in section "Name confusion", first thing that comes to mind is the underwater activity. Google image search proves this: "diving" gives 18 underwater and 1 jumping, while "diving sport" gives 16 jumping to water, 1 sky diving and 6 underwater (first page of results in my Firefox). My suggestion would be a disambiguation page "Diving" with entries Diving (underwater) and Diving (jumping), maybe even some other ones. 82.141.66.136 (talk) 22:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Pictures to Commons

Please can you move this picture to Commons: http://en.wikipedia.orgview_image.php?q=Talk:Diving_(sport)&sq=Talk:Diving_(sport)&lang=en&file=File:Cliffjumping.jpg Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.8.144.157 (talk) 11:04, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


Armstand Dives

It seems to me that the armstand category is a relatively recent addition to the competitive diving repertory. I was a competitive swimmer in the 80's and I don't ever remember seeing a diver take off from a handstand in actual competition. The first time I saw this in the Olympics I did a double-take. If someone knows the history of this particular category of dive, and when it was first allowed in international competition, inclusion of that information, with some dates, would be an interesting addition to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.174.105 (talk) 23:34, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

You are mistaken - armstand dives have been used in all major diving competitions since at least the 1950's, possibly as far back as the 1930's. Backward Armstand dives and Twisting Armstand dives have only been used for the last 15 years or so. DaveApter (talk) 11:09, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Five-digit dive numbers?

The article currently says For Group 6 – Armstand – the dive number has either three, four or five digits: Three digits for dives without twist and four for dives with twists.

The article then proceeds to explain the three and four digit numbers without referring to a five-digit dive number.

A quick search on Google suggests that there is no such thing as a five-digit dive number. Deebster (talk) 12:47, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Very well spotted! I've removed the offending texthe. According to WikiBlame, it was added way back in June 2007 (!) by 210.18.194.213. Many of that user's other edits were vandalism. Graham87 02:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Splash diving

In some countries there are (not too serious) diving competitions where the point is to make the biggest splash - not the least. The German Wikipedia even has its own article, de:Arschbombe. Should this be mentioned here? -- 92.231.118.84 (talk) 21:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

history?

What is the history of the modern-style sport? Currently, there is only a picture of a fresco from 470 BC. But I doubt that was competitive diving back then; and even if it was, scoring system cannot have been similar than today. 85.217.38.184 (talk) 00:31, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Just noticed it has been at the Olympics since 1904. Wonder if that was similar to current style? Diving at the Summer Olympics describes it as "fancy high diving". 85.217.38.184 (talk) 00:44, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

And, strangely, there is now high diving at this year's World Champs as a separate competition. What exactly is that? "High diving" redirects to this article but I found no mention about it, other than picture text "Swedish high diver Arvid Spangberg". 212.50.203.198 (talk) 04:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

High Diving is from 27m, as compared with 10m for the Olympic platform diving. I'll add a paragraph about it. DaveApter (talk) 11:19, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Very young masters...

The article reads:
"Masters' Diving events are normally conducted in age-groups of 5 or 10 years"
Are you serious? 85.193.214.212 (talk) 04:38, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

It means they're separated by 5 or 10 years (e.g. 60–65 and 65–70 or 60–70 and 70–80). Graham87 14:57, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
I've used your wording and replaced "of" with "separated by". I hope it makes sense. 85.193.214.212 (talk) 21:17, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Graham87 04:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 25 October 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: MOVED to Diving (sport) for the time being. Consensus is crystal clear that this is not the primary topic for "diving". The dab will be moved to Diving and a further move request to try to pick a better title for this article may proceed immediately. Regarding the disambiguation page, a WP:DABCONCEPT remains an option to be considered. (non-admin closure) Red Slash 07:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Diving → Diving (sport) – This is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term "diving". It gets only a fraction of the article traffic. Underwater diving - better known as just "diving" - is a similarly important use, and Freediving, a subset of underwater diving, receives more page views than the sport. That suggests that substantial numbers of readers looking for underwater diving are coming here by mistake. Diving should redirect to the dab page, or become its own dab page. Cúchullain t/c 18:45, 25 October 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:28, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

My point is that underwater diving, freediving, etc are as significant as “diving into the water” diving, and aren’t (and shouldn’t be) covered here.—Cúchullain t/c 15:10, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
They proceed from it. Hyperbolick (talk) 15:50, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
I disagree that underwater diving, freediving, etc can be reasonably characterized as "diving into water"; they are "diving under water". That is, for these sports/activities, one is already in the water before the diving commences. --В²C ☎ 20:25, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, it's a totally different sense of the word. In the sport of diving, the action happens going into the water. In scuba and freediving, it happens once you're in.--Cúchullain t/c 19:26, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support some move but have the same reservations as IIO about the disambiguator being too ambiguous. How about Diving (into water; competitive sport)? It's a bit unusual but we have wide latitude with parenthetic disambiguation, and this one seems to meet WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE quite adequately. Without the "; competitive sport" qualifier, which I thought of first, it doesn't limit scope to the competitive aspect of this sport/activity which is this article's topic.--В²C ☎ 20:25, 1 November 2018 (UTC) strikeout suggestion; see below. --В²C ☎ 22:16, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Think that would be Platform diving. Hyperbolick (talk) 20:53, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Ah, my bad. I thought the scope of this article was that narrow. In that case how about just Diving (into water)? --В²C ☎ 22:16, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
I wouldn't object to that. I don't think "Diving (sport)" is that unclear, however, and we can always add hatnotes for readers looking for diving in soccer, hockey, etc.--Cúchullain t/c 19:26, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
That would work too.--Cúchullain t/c 13:00, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Doesn’t that look more like the title of a novel or something? —В²C ☎ 06:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
May have been unclear. Diving into water for sport should be at platform diving, currently a not-great redirect to diving platform (physical thing dived from). Hyperbolick (talk) 14:16, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree Diving into water seems a bit odd and inconsistent with our standard NCs, what next, Reading a book, Plymouth in Devon?. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support as it is not an obvious WP:PTOPIC. --B dash (talk) 06:12, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Relisting comment there seems to be consensus supporting some change, either a move or a re-purposing to make this a broad-concept article. I don't see a consensus for any specific move yet. I will advertise this move at a few WikiProjects. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:28, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. I don't think a DABCONCEPT would be viable at the base title, since the two main senses (into water and under water) are rather disparate. While I agree that diving (sport) is a bit ambiguous, it is currently the only Olympic sport with such title, and I think it is good enough for most purposes. Platform diving, mentioned above, might fit WP:NATURAL, but the catch is that it's only half of the deal – it does not cover springboard diving (but both of those should redirect to diving (sport)). No such user (talk) 10:47, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
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Famous Divers section

I'm not sure the section on famous divers is adding anything to the article - it's just a sea of blue links to articles. Wouldn't readers be better served by a link to the Category 'Divers by nationality' or similar? GirthSummit (blether) 18:15, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Good point. I've boldly removed vit ... and also added in the see also link to the category you suggested. Graham87 03:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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