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Should this article be called "Religious ethics", not "Ethics in religion"? Astudent 06:26, 2003 Sep 8 (UTC)
To the best of my knowledge, all theistic religions believe in some sort of revelation. What they understand revelation to entail, however, differs from one group to another. See the article on revelation for the many ways that theistic religions use this term. RK 19:01, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I don't think Mahatma Gandhi was a Jain, as this article mentions. I think the author has assumed that, since ahimsa forms a core element of both Jain and Gandhian thinking, Gandhiji was a Jain. To the best of my knowledge, he was Hindu. In fact, Mahatma Gandhi's last words were an invocation to Lord Rama. Gokul
As it stands, the depth of treatment given in this article to each tradition is so wildly out of proportion to the sheer numbers of people who practice each tradition, that it is not NPOV at all. I certainly think Jewish ethics need depth if only to introduce how Christian and Islamic thought were applying the same principles to some of the same stories, but, there are 1.5 billion people with the Chinese ethical tradition somewhere in their background, 1 billion with the Hindu, 1.2 billion with the Islamic, 2.5 billion or so with the Christian, and only a few million actual practicing Jews.
And these seem to argue a lot about what it really means, so it's hard to give any one view a monopoly on what Jewish ethical tradition really is.
"Jews did not adopt Judaism.. Jews created Judaism... molded and shaped a way of life, belief and practice which grew organically out of their group life... its theological systems have never been compactly or officially ordered, arranged, or defined. Judaism has been relatively free from the authoritative or dogmatic theological coercions of a central religious body, and Jews have been priveleged to enjoy wide latitude in defining and crystallizing their concepts of God." (from p. 135, Christians and Jews: The Eternal Bond, Stuart E. Rosenberg, 1985 edition, previously published 1961 as Bridge to Brotherhood: Judaism's bond to Christianity).
Whateer it is, it's simply over-covered here, as a direct result of our lopsided representation of views - let's not let this lead to systemic bias. I suggest the section on Jewish tradition be summarized so it is equivalent in length to the other sections. I'd suggest an approach based on this statement, also from the above by Stuart E. Rosenberg (same page, actually):
"While Judaism has been called a religion of ethical monotheism, it is more properly understood as a way of life based upon a Jewish system of monotheistic ethics. The Law, or Torah, contains the essential precepts whereby the Jew is helped to know God - not by abstract or mystical faith alone, but rather through a serious attempt to conform to the Divine plan for human behavior. These commandments are 613 in number and they run the gamut of personal, interpersonal, and social relations. While logically a belief in a God who relveals His will to man is at the core of this system, the rabbinical compilers of the 613 Biblical precepts nowhere listed "belief in God" as one of these commandments. They understood "belief" in the peculiarly Jewish meaning of the word; no man could be commanded to believe abstractly and no human tribunal could punish him for not believing. The Jew accepts "God's Kingdom" by building it on Earth."
That's about the right level of detail for this article, and the rest of the space re: Judaism should go into the 613 precepts in some summarized way. Then set up the comparison to Christianity: "In a fairly remarkable piece of Biblical exegesis, a Talmudi rabbi resoundingly summed up the Jewish position: "In the book of Jeremiah it is written: For thus saith the Lord of Hosts, the God of ISrael: 'Me have they forsaken and they have not kept My law.' This is what God is really saying: 'Would that men forsook Me, if only they kept My law...In Judaism's view, the Kingdom of God is definitely of this world, and man's tasks and responsibilities are centered here." This is the polar opposite of the Christian view of it which was defined a lot later.
The satanist section sounds a lot more like an induction into how to be one rather than just what it is. The writing style seems very relaxed almost as if someone is talking. Maybe it's been cut and pasted from somewhere else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.81.18.30 (talk) 03:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Why is it called Ethics in religion? The section on China is NOT really related to Chinese religions! wshun 18:52, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)
The Jewish ethics section is so well written --so complete and authoriative, that it deserves to be moved to its own article. It does not make sense to have two thirds of this article -- about Ethics in religion to be disproportionately developed as it is now. -戴眩sv 19:19, Sep 9, 2003 (EDT)
The China certainly does need cleaning up. I've started fixing a few things. As mentioned above, the section needs to be related to what Chinese religions say about ethics, not just a philosophical summary. Apeman
The Criticism of Buddhist Ethics section makes more sense now. But I'm still a little concerned about this sentence:
This gets pretty confusing for me. For me, "therefore" implies a new, secondary criticism in response to the dispute, which obfuscates the point (so much so that I'm not sure what the point is :). And I'm not sure why critics are arguing that Buddhists "do enough" anyway -- is this even a criticism, or have the critics and the defenders gotten mixed up? In particular, I'm wondering why they would find their own argument unsatisfactory!
I think we should drop this whole sentence, unless someone knows what it's trying to convey.
I have posted sourced material in the Buddhist Ethics section replacing that which before was of poor quality and consisted of opinions and unsourced material. dhammapal
I've removed "P.B.U.H." from the "Islam" section per http://en.wikipedia.orghttps://wikious.com/en/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28Islam-related_articles%29#Islamic_honorifics Etcetera 01:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
"Western philosophical works on ethics were written in a culture whose literary and religious ideas were BASED in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) and the New Testament. As such, there is a connection between the ethics of the Bible and the ethics of the great western philosophers."
This sentence is far too strong. First of all, note the lack of qualification of 'based' -- at the VERY least, it should be 'based in part', though, really, even this is too strong. No one sat down and decided to spin ethics out of the bible, to base the former on the latter. Rather, the bible INFLUENCED, strongly, the cultural milieu out of which SOME western ethics and philosophy was born. SECOND, it is a mistake to suggest, as BOTH sentences above do, that all western philosophy (first sentence) and all great western philosophers (second sentence) take influence, strong or weak, from the bible. The second sentence is particularly egregious as, to be true, Plato, Aristotle, the pre-Socratics, indeed Socrates himself, the progenitor of philosophy, would all have to be counted as NOT great western philosophers. Now, of couse, there is a connection to SOME great western philosophers. OVERALL, the mistake here is the fact the passages seems not to recognize how many other vital sources shaped, often to a greater degree than the bible (and, in fact, often shaped the bible itself), western philosophy and the great western philosophers.
-->Stone cairn 05:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
"This is particularly true of Augustine, who proceeded to thoroughly develop along philosophical lines and to establish firmly most of the truths of Christian morality." Pacifists would disagree. Why such a thoroughly doctrinal statement from Catholic ethics and theology? I don't care what tradition you come from, but an encyclopedia entry is not the place for evangelizing.Landrumkelly 16:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
The article is a general one comparing ethics in religions and how each answers the question of ethics not wether or not a particular view is right or wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.110.232.181 (talk) 20:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
There ought to be a separate article on moral theology (instead of a redirect), which includes the more general approach of social morality, family morality, public morality, sexual morality and ecclesial morality, and not just biblical morality. At the same time, it is more specific to the Catholic Church and takes into account the very hierarchical and sacramental character of the institution. ADM (talk) 20:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Christian ethics is far more varied than the rather conservative Roman Catholic position that seems implied here, although it doesn't even get Roman Catholic ethics right. The notion that Christian ethics is primarily personal, private, and individualistic is simply historically wrong. Roman Catholic Natural Law, and the various Protestant forms of it in Lutheran and Anglican traditions, are not merely norms for private, individual behavior, but have been used by Christians of those traditions as norms for social, political and economic behavior of groups, organizations, and nation-states.
The Reformed and Conservative Evangelical traditions also have attempted to govern social life and practice by "Christian" norms for group and national behavior. It is true that many Christians (especially Conservative Evangelical Christians) have believed and taught that only personal ethics is appropriate for Christians, but that more restricted view has never been the official position of the major traditions in Christianity-- including Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican (Episcopalian), Methodist, and Reformed (Presbyterian, Congregational and Reformed) churches. Even the heirs of the Anabaptist tradition, even though many are in principle opposed to governments, have a social ethic not reducible to individual moral behavior.
The idea that Christian ethics is understood by Christians to work at a social, national, or international level only through the good behavior of lots and lots and lots of individuals is laughable. Has the writer ever bothered to read papal encyclicals on social issues like war, economic life, the uses of science and technology? Has he or she ever read the voluminous social statements calling corporations, ethnic groups, political leaders and international bodies to task that have been issued by every major Protestant denomination in the past century? Has he or she bothered to read the countless statements delivered to political leaders and corporations by thousands of local, national and regional councils of churches all over the world, including and especially the World Council of Churches, which speaks to nation states and international bodies with social norms it claims are derived from Christian faith?
The problem with this section is not that it doesn't simply balance things between religions. The problem is that it is misinformed and misinforming.
Comsources (talk) 03:40, 4 February 2010 (UTC)71.232.28.184 (talk) 03:36, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
The article claims that Shinto does not have many teachings on ethical issues. This, as far as I know, is uncontroversial. However it quite unambiguously makes the claim that this is in virtue of the fact that Shinto is highly polytheistic and animistic. This is a total non sequitur. It is an empirical claim that needs separate justification and has no place in the article without said justification or a reference to a work that provides said justification. 78.146.70.46 (talk) 15:30, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Hindu Ethics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.200.245 (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
The section on Hindu ethics is far too short and far from accurate. To call Mohandas Gandhi a vaishnava is the limit! Also, considering the fact that he was assassinated in 1948, the timeline cited (mid-20th century) is also not correct! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.200.245 (talk) 17:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
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Should it be added as a section to this page? Doremon764 (talk) 04:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Sikh Rehat Maryada: Sikhism emphasizes living a truthful and honest life. The Sikh Rehat Maryada provides guidelines for ethical conduct, including concepts such as selfless service (seva), honesty, and equality.
Sacred Teachings: Various Native American traditions have their own ethical teachings and values rooted in respect for nature, community, and spirituality. These teachings are often passed down orally.
Secular ethicists engage in various debates and discussions about ethical theories, and the dismissal or critique of virtue ethics is one aspect of these conversations. Virtue ethics, deontology, and consequentialism represent three major approaches to ethics, each emphasizing different aspects of moral philosophy. Here's a brief overview of how some secular ethicists discuss these theories:
Deontology:
Deontology, associated with philosophers like Immanuel Kant, focuses on duty and moral rules. Deontological ethics asserts that certain actions are inherently right or wrong, regardless of their consequences. Critics argue that deontology can be rigid and may not adequately address complex moral dilemmas.
Consequentialism:
Consequentialism, exemplified by utilitarianism, evaluates the morality of actions based on their outcomes. It seeks to maximize overall well-being or utility. Critics of consequentialism argue that it might justify morally questionable actions if they lead to positive outcomes.
Virtue Ethics:
Virtue ethics, rooted in the works of Aristotle, emphasizes the development of virtuous character traits. It suggests that focusing on the development of good character will lead to morally right actions. Some critics of virtue ethics argue that it lacks clear guidance for decision-making in specific situations and may be too reliant on cultural or individual values.
In discussions among secular ethicists, you may find the following critiques or dismissals of virtue ethics:
Lack of Action Guidance: Critics argue that virtue ethics may not provide clear guidance on what actions to take in specific situations. Deontology and consequentialism, with their focus on rules or outcomes, are seen by some as offering more practical guidance for decision-making.
Cultural Relativity: Virtue ethics often emphasizes the development of virtues that can vary across cultures. Critics argue that this relativism may make it challenging to establish universal ethical principles. Some ethicists work on distiguishing cultural relativity (which many sociologists believe is true) from moral relativism, arguing that social variables do not require moral nihilism.
Overemphasis on Character: Some critics contend that virtue ethics places too much emphasis on character traits and personal development, potentially neglecting the importance of moral rules and the consequences of actions.
It's important to note that these critiques do not represent a consensus among secular ethicists, and many philosophers within secular ethics engage with virtue ethics in a positive manner. Some argue that combining elements of virtue ethics with deontological or consequentialist considerations provides a more comprehensive ethical framework.
In the broader field of ethics, there are diverse perspectives, and different ethicists may have varying views on the strengths and weaknesses of virtue ethics in comparison to deontology and consequentialism. Ethical discussions continue to evolve, and contemporary scholars often draw from multiple ethical theories to address the complexities of moral decision-making.
I do NOT believe that articles should be redirected to this article without a long, serious, disciplined, and scholarly discusson (and debate). I believe that all unvetted redirects to this article should be reversed.MaynardClark (talk) 05:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)