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In this section it says the Moorish population grew very large during the later Muslim dynasties but nothing is said about this in the Al-Andalus article. I am doubtful of the validity of this claim because it says there were many moors in the Ebro river valley but this is an area of spain that was only briefly under Moorish control. Can someone either source this or remove it? (I know some Moors came but I think this section as it stands is inaccurate) KingOfAfrica 20:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
- Eventually.
I think this part of the article is a little bare, so I'm going to add a few lines about the Prestige disaster of 2002, as the Wikipedia article said it was the worst environmental disaster in Spanish history. We need more information for this section! Istabo 22:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
the last couple of lines of this section read very poorly, like someone just half-heartedly pasted some info in there. as well, does referring to ETA's attacks as "terrorist" denote POV? is there consensus on this issue? Murderbike 21:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Your article says: "On March 11 2004, a series of bombs exploded in commuter trains in Madrid, Spain. This act of terror killed 191 people and wounded 1,460 more, besides having a dramatic effect on the upcoming national elections. The 11 March 2004 Madrid train bombings had an adverse effect on the then-ruling conservative party Partido Popular (PP) which polls were giving as a likely winner of the elections, thus helping the election of Zapatero's Partido Socialista Obrero Español (PSOE). There were two nights of incidents around the PP headquarters, with PSOE accusing the PP of hiding the truth by saying that the incidents were caused by ETA. These incidents are still a cause of discussion, since some factions of the PP suggest that the elections were "stolen" by means of the turmoil which followed the terrorist bombing, which was, according to this point of view, backed or fuelled by the PSOE. These incidents did interfere with the last day of campaigning when, according to the Spanish electoral system regulations, any kind of political propaganda is prohibited and PP's candidate (Mariano Rajoy) appeared in some newspapers as interior minister."
Are you sure that the bombs atacks caused a "dramatic effect on the upcoming national elections"? Are you sure that PP were won the elections without the atacks? I'm spanish and I'm not sure. Are you fortune tellers or wikiwritters?
This part of de article is not neutral.
84.123.205.143 00:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Nobody PSOE's member was the 13th march 2004 night in Genova street. The spanish PP's government was lying a lot of time when the muslim attack was the main way since 12th march. That part of the article is not neutral. There are alot of Spanish people who don't think like you. 84.123.85.153 00:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
What is this "Murcianese" that anons keep adding? //Dirak 12:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
The Murcianese is a language which a lot of people have spoken in Murcia's region along the centuries although people don't speak this language in the streets nowadays. However a lot of people try to use this language in streets and in schools because Murcia have a strong personality. You can see http://www.llenguamaere.com (in Murcianese) and http://www.jarique.com (in Spanish)
Oh my Good! murcianese??jajajaj, eso NO EXISTE ,ES UN DIALECT DEL SPANISH y lo digo yo que soy español
I'm a "murcianese"(that word doesn't exist) from Cartagena and actually we speak that "language"(it's not an official language like catalán or vasco but an official dialect like andaluz for example)but we don´t learn it at school, nobody teachs it. we call our dialect "panocho" but I don't think it has an official name. Anyway,if the article talks about andaluz or extremeño, I think murciano should be mentioned as a dialect recognised by the royal academy of the spanish language on the same level as andaluz.
i am from Murcia. Here the people speaks spanish, with other acent, but spanish. The "murcianese language" doesn´t exist... In Andalucia the people speaks spanish too, not a dialect. The different acents of a language are not dialects.
what does this mean "Spain, to the east and to the south of Galicia, borders the North"?
something is wrong with this phrase.
please correct it. Yelin 09:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
PLEASE!galicia no es ninguna nacion!(traduction please at the english)es una autonomia more! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.33.145.17 (talk) 16:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC).
According to the new "estatuto", It is. Although It isn't an Estate-Nation separated from Spain, Inside of Spain there are several nations and, in my opinion, that is positive.
The article begins:
"Spain, officially the Kingdom of Spain (Spanish: Reino de España, España)" (bold added)
I think it would be appropriate for the Spanish translations to be in the same order as their English versions. In other words, switch the order of the Spanish translations of the two names and have it read:
"Spain, officially the Kingdom of Spain (Spanish: España, Reino de España)"
or
"Spain, officially the Kingdom of Spain (Spanish: España, Reino de España, respectively)"
Just thought I'd see if there were any objections, since I don't want to change the first sentence of this great article without some input. --Anietor 01:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
In the section on Religion, and referring to church attendance, someone inserted the statement "Interestingly, these numbers do not differ much from those found in the , considered a liberal country, were Church attendance of at least once a month is about 19%". This is not accurate, seems to be a POV (would it really be that interesting, even if true? Doesn't sound very encyclopedic), and even the citation contradicts the assertion. To begin with, the source (http://www.cbs.nl/nr/rdonlyres/775b8373-86f8-4a17-8872-c4ecfbcb2766/0/2006a3pub.pdf Statistical Yearbook of the Netherlands 2006, page 43), is actually from 2004 for the church statistics, and refers to percentages of all respondents ages 12 and up. By contrast, the Spanish figures (http://mas.lne.es/documentos/archivos/20-11-06-cis.pdf) are from a survey conducted Oct. 2006 and the question regarding church attendance was asked of a subset of respondents (those that identify with a certain religious tradition) ages 18 and up. The numbers themselves are also not the same. Given the difference in years of the stats, the differences in the respondents' demographics and the numbers themselves, this sentence should be removed. I notice that it was actually removed previously, about a week ago, but has been put back in. --Anietor 02:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I posted that comment. I checked the data from 2004. Church attendance of at least one a month in Spain was 22%, in The Netherlands 19%. I don't think there is a big difference... But you are right, it doesn't sound very encyclopedic, my apologies. I just started editing in Wikipedia a couple of weeks ago and I am learning how to write the things properly. My intention was to show that spaniards are not as conservative as people think, I would say they are even much less than in my country. By the way, I am Dutch. Best regards, Marjolijn van der Hijden. PD: what is a POV?
I see, POV = Point of view. Maybe, but not far from reality.
it's amazing that there is no mention of the anarchist contribution to the spanish civil war in this article (Anarchism in Spain). i'll try to work it in myself. Murderbike 11:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Regarding to official languages, there's something wrong with the color chart. "Valencian", spoken in the Land of Valencia, is a dialect of Catalan and, thus, it's an official languaje. Aranese, an occitan dialect, also is official inside of Catalonia.
YOUR COMMENT IS VERY FOOLISH, VALENCIAN IS NOT A DIALECT OF CATALAN, IT COMES FROM VULGAR LATIN, AND WAS THE FIRST LITERARY ROMANCE LANGUAGE.
Valenciano is not considered as a language, it's a dialect from catalan.(I'm not either from Valencia or catalonia, so, my opinion isn't influenced of nationalism). And the first literary romance language was castilian (spanish).
To me it seems like spain has had it ups and downs with the entire world throughout the 20th and 21st century. Spain had to deal with not only its own civil war, but than was brought into the 2nd world war. Not to mention that they were kicked out of the UN until 1955 and they were only allowed back in because we needed something from them for out own benefits. Than in the 21st century they suffer 2 tragadies. One of those tragadies was a train bombing that killed 191 people. I just hope that the future is good to them, but I can say one thing they are at least moving foreward. they have pulled troops out of iraq and are acutally dealing with thier own problems which is a lot more than i can say for us. ----Jason 20 January 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.188.167.109 (talk) 22:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC).
:Stephanie Ambrose Span 101 sec 52
--216.184.3.210 20:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC) Stephanie Ambrose span 101 sec 52
We tried to be fair to the Moslem period and point to its positive contributions that helped spur on not just Spain but all of western Europe - a fact often forgotten by many. At first the Moors were such a tiny minority when their army conquered Spain from its Visigothic overlords that they had to be tolerant to the mass of the population, which was Roman Catholic Christians, if they were to remain in power. Christians and Jews were made "dhimmis" - unlike, say pagans, who would of been wiped out, Christians and Jews were "people of the book", but failing to see the truth of Islam as the final revelation they were put in a socially disadvantageous postion designed to humiliate them - until they converted or left. Anyway, under the later Almoravids and Almohads Christians and Jews did suffer much persecution. 58.84.95.28 02:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Ceuta did not return to Spain in 1415. This is not true, as stated in this article. Ceuta was conquered by the Portuguese in 1415, and only returned to Spain much later.--Taliska1 17:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I made up this template to include in this page but I can't find any good spot to put it. If anyone wishes to give it a try, please do it.
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When placing this template in a page, use {{Spain Close Up|align=right}} or {{Spain Close Up|align=left}} to position it appropriately.
Maurice27 22:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
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Currently, the text of Prehistoric Spain seems really to be about prehistoric Iberia. Similarly, the text of Prehistoric Portugal seems really to be about the same thing. This would be perfectly understandable seeing as there was no Spain and no Portugal in prehistoric times. I have argued therefore that it would be best to have these articles merged under a title which indicates the geographical region rather than the modern states. I have proposed the articles be merged and moved to Prehistoric Iberia. Please come and discuss my proposal. Jimp 09:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello Jim. If the merge goes through, what shall we do with Pre-Roman Portugal? You see, Prehistoric Spain encompasses a period that the "Portuguese" articles differentiated into Prehistoric Portugal and Pre-Roman Portugal. Should we merge them all? The Ogre 13:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I have been told that after lunch, in Spain (possibly it was Mexico), the entire place shuts down for a short nap. Is this true, and if so, why isn't it mentioned? 71.0.242.38 02:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
As all of we know, there are two basic models applied to the American continent:
I created the article North America (Americas) that is about the region/subcontinent of the American continent. It was nominated for deletion because they say it is the same as North America (meaning continent). Both articles are about different subjects.
Please READ the evidence, comment and vote here. AlexCovarrubias ( Let's talk! ) 10:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I am moving here the following piece of text because it doesn't seem relevant enough in this context: "Andalusian" is just one more dialect of the several existing of Spanish within Spain.
The Andalusian dialect (also called andaluz) of European Spanish is spoken in Andalusia. There are several phonetic differences from Castilian Spanish, some of which are reflected in Andalusian-influenced Latin American Spanish. This differences can be seen in the phonology as well as in the intonation and vocabulary.
Mountolive | Talk 16:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
¡Oh, Dios mío! I'm Spanish. THE ANDALUSIAN IS A DIALECT OF THE CASTILIAN SPANISH. We only have 4 official languages: 1. Spanish 2. Catalán 3. Gallego 4. Vasco (Euskera) The andalusian has many grammatical and phonetical mistakes, but IT'S SPANISH! Some examples of andalusian: Helado (ice-cream) --> "helao" Pescado (Fish) --> "Pescao" Casa (House) --> "Caza" Queso (Cheese) --> "Quezo" Zumo (Juice) --> "Sumo" Zapatos (shoes) --> "Sapatos" Hijo (Son) --> "Hiho" etc...
We can say this words as a dialect, but when we are writting, we can't use this "andalusian" words.
WE CAN'T WRITE: Tengo una "Caza" WE MUST WRITE: Tengo una Casa
I'm Andalusian, and you're wrong. Andalusians write and read Spanish correctly but it sounds too different and too unique that it is easily recognisable. Although the less educated people usually write as they speak (wrongly at different levels)most andalusians do it correctly.
So there's a great controversy for outside viewers. But from the inside, people at some cultural level consider Andalusian different to the Castilian just phoneticaly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.136.8.93 (talk) 16:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
As we move through this article sub-section by sub-section and upgrade it to GA (and hopefully FA) status, we are currently in search of citations/footnotes to support the following elements in the Pre-History sub-section:
if you have websites, books, articles to add as a footnote, please do so! EspanaViva 16:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Regards, Maurice27 20:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
¡Gracias, Maurice! ¿pero, tiene algunos en inglés? (have any in English?) EspanaViva 20:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Althought Spain has many diffrent dialects, it is said that they should probably just learn English.
The Basque is co-official in northern Navarre. The bable (asturian) is protected by the Asturias' Autonomie Statut.
There are 4 majority languages in Spain. The spanish is the oficial language, but it has a catalan leanguage spoken in Catalonia, Valencia and Majorca Islands (about 10 milion people), Euskera wich is spoken in Basque Country, and Galician wich is spoken in Galicia. Please, correct this part, it's a silly mistake. In murcia in the south we speak Panocho as well as castellano spanish.Panocho is a kind of spanish used in the murcia orchard and today continues in use although it is considered local.Otherwise Murcianos speak a spanish with their local accent which is considered quite good by the Instituto Cervantes. comunidad judia murcia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comunidad judia murcia (talk • contribs) 17:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks
The Basque language has a rather odd status in Navarre: it is "official" in the basque-speaking and the so-called "mixed" regions, but not in the non-basque areas. However, the Spanish regulations on "Common Administrative Procedures" (Procedimiento Administrativo Común), concerning citizens' relations with the public administrations, recognises their right to use the languages official within the autonomous communities in which they are recognised as such, and establishes that procedures in which intervenes the General Administration of the State (Administración General del Estado), at offices in the community concerned, shall be processed in the official language of choice of the citizen (in the case of Navarre, either Spanish or Basque), as per their language rights. See the Boletín Oficial de Navarra of 12 February 2003.
--YuriBCN 12:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
In this article I have not seen anything relating to Spain's stance on the environment, global warming, and so on. Is there anything we can add? Blahmaster 17:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Why is it stated that Spain has not got a specific identity? Years of common history and a glorious past have resulted in a strong identity feeling among the Spanish population. I know it, and I think I have the right to say it, because I am Spanish, as you would have noticed due to my poor English level. I would like that false statement to be changed. Thank you.
I´m Spanish and I think that this sentence ("is a country formed by several nations located") is stupid. Spain IS a nation itself. There are some secessionist sensibilities in Catalonia and Euskadi, but this doesn´t determinate Spain as a fist of countries without any kind of national personality. With that point of view, France, Russia or United Kingdom are not countries, because they also holds independentist movements inside their frontiers. It must be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.235.177.242 (talk) 15:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Spain is one of the most clear specific national entities in Europe as many centuries of common history from all of its territories can atest. To deny the spanish identity would be to violate the neutrality policy of Wikipedia, as the growth of internal separatisms is just nowadays trying to put in doubt Spain's history and identity. Centuries of literature talking about Spanish cultural identity can't be put aside by this trend. Gallando 02:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, come on, you can't be serious. People from northern Spain (Galicia, Asturias, etc) are completely different from people from southern Spain (Andalucia, Murcia, etc). I have lived in Asturias, Alicante and Salamanca and I can tell you they are worlds apart.89.128.223.165 (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
So what? People from northern France (Normandie e.g) are completely different from people from southern France (Marseille e.g), as people from northern Italy (Milano e.g) are completely different from people from southern Italy (Napoli e.g). And i can't see that statement being thrown when talking about France or Italy concept of nation... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.77.128.4 (talk) 13:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
seems to be more an opinion than a fact. I may agree with it, but I don't think it reaches the level of fact. I think it should either present refferences or be removed. --Suzusan (talk) 11:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)("nationalities", a carefully chosen word in order to avoid the more politically charged "nations")
why the heck is the intro paragraphs for spain so lame compared to the UK, Italy, america, etc. its so generic. How about listing how it was a major global power during the age of discovery and its contributions in the modern world? doesnt have to be long but right now its just lame. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.151.44 (talk) 04:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
If you want I could type it out. What do you guys say? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.247.29 (talk) 22:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Speaking for myself I prefer the current low key approach. The summary at the beginning of the mini history here gives readers enough of an idea of the country's very important and dramatic history. No need to shove it in their faces in the opening paragaraphs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.95.138 (talk) 11:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The battle that stopped the Muslims was the Battle of Tours, not the Battle of Poitiers. Poitiers was a battle in the Hundred Years' War between England and France; the English defeated the French at Poitiers almost 600 years after the Franks defeated the Muslims at Tours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.210.68.85 (talk) 21:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
In the text someone has writen "is a country formed by several nations located" this is not true, and the spanish don't feel it. Anyway the Constitution is explicit. I can not understand how this could be wrote.--Usuntil 12:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I´m Spanish and I think that this sentence ("is a country formed by several nations located") is stupid. Spain IS a nation itself. There are some secessionist sensibilities in Catalonia and Euskadi, but this doesn´t determinate Spain as a fist of countries without any kind of national personality. With that point of view, France, Russia or United Kingdom are not countries, because they also holds independentist movements inside their frontiers. It must be removed.
The facts about the manifestations in front of the headquaters of politic party PP after the attempt in 11th March is a total proved thing, but nobody has been able to show any relationship between this and the PSOE, even the Spanish Courts which has taken this subject in the last years, so it can be taken like an unbiased information. What are the Spanish courts? The Senate, the Parliament and the Congress, all together —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.9.170 (talk) 14:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
The Spanish Courts are two: The Senate and The Congress. It could be similar to UK Courts. The Lord's One is the Senate, and the Common's One the Congress, Although that they don't have the same rights, of course. Remember that here in Spain we use roman right, and not common laws. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.8.123.205 (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Please, review the Sports section because "Bullfighting" is not an sport (actually, I think it is the most horrible, wild and shameful image we can offer to the rest of the world). And if you want references to popular sports in Spain, please include Basketball, Handball and Formula 1, where Spain is the worldchampion. Diegodr 14:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
i like spain =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.162.28.202 (talk) 15:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Most of spanish young people are against bullfighting and it's even been banned on some regions. 89.128.223.165 (talk) 22:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC) In Murcia we invite everyone tto our bullfight and to eat the bulls tail after. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comunidad judia murcia (talk • contribs) 17:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
"However, Spain was recently ranked 13th in the European Union and 28th in the world in terms of GDP per capita."
This statement in the first section is taken out of context and makes Spain seem a poor country to a person uninformed of global macroeconomics.Drewbie500 09:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Agree - Spain has recently (2006 figures) surpassed Italy in GDP per capita according to Eurostat and CIA using the latest estimates for 2007. For the same reason the comment about Spain's GDP per capita trailing behind the G7 nations is no longer true Charlygc (talk) 12:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
When using absolute GDP figures per capita it is true that Italy is still ahead of Spain (same as it is true that Italy's GDP includes it's underground economy when Spain doesn't). If Spain's underground economy was considered it's nominal GDP would be about 20% higher, certainly surpassing Italy's nominal GDP per capita.
But this is not the point - the figures that are always used to compare countries are GDP per capita using (PPP). And last time I checked Eurostat's, IMF's, World Bank's and CIA's figures for 2008 and 2007 are all showing Spain ahead of Italy. Charlygc (talk) 12:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
What's going on with the coat of arms' image?? - One user is putting a PNG which is 90 KB of size and with big resolution - Other user is putting a SVG which is 384 KB and 200x200 by default
They are both identical!!!!!! Let's leave the smaller filesize one (which is nonetheless the one with bigger resolution when clicked)
I'll undo any changes unless a good reason is commented here before!
Gallando (talk) 23:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason the king is referred to as Juan Carlos I, and not just Juan Carlos? The official website refers to him as el Rey Don Juan Carlos, without the "I". Also, other articles such as on Queen Victoria don't insert the "I". This is a question that has been raised on the Juan Carlos Talk Page if anyone has some thoughts or input. I thought I would bring it up here, since any change would involve editing this article as well. --Anietor (talk) 23:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Fully agree. General usage on monarchs dictates that the ordinal should be used if there is more than one monarch in the line with the same name. Thus, Elisabeth of England was only Elisabeth I after Elisabeth II came to the throne. Another example is Queen Anne, who is NOT referred to as Anne I. --YuriBCN 13:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)