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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nel blu, dipinto di blu (song)#Requested move 21 October 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --pro-anti-air ––>(talk)<–– 21:15, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

@Ferclopedio: Could you possibly also edit the flag of France on articles from 1975 until 2019 (and esc 2020) to be the lighter version of the flag?
 France — IмSтevan ^talk 19:29, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

I know this is a bit late to the game since the articles have been changed already, but for me personally this is going a little bit too far for the sake of "accuracy". The law has changed multiple times since Latvia regained its independence, and so there are various different shades which have at different times been considered the "correct" colour. I can let this one slide for now, however I strongly oppose making any changes to the French flags post-creation of the Fifth French Republic. As is stated on the Flag of France article, both the lighter and darker versions of the flag were used simultaneously and interchangeably, so there is no "correct" version; just because Macron decided to use the darker version at the Elysée from 2020 onwards doesn't make it more "official". Sims2aholic8 (talk) 22:46, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

I would argue that there are no lenghts that we shouldn't be going to in order to use correct flags. When talking about Latvia, the shade used today on the project was formalised in 2019, meaning it didn't exist prior, so why should it be used prior? When talking about France, the file used in the infobox for Flag of France article should be the reference point, and considering that it was changed in 2020, we should be adhering to that — IмSтevan ^talk 22:53, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

This change would not affect the readability of the articles whatsoever, simply display the version of the flag mainly used by the state of France during the correct time periods. If both versions are correct, then surely this shouldn't be an issue? We'd also be consistent with articles such as the UEFA European Championship article series — IмSтevan ^talk 23:05, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

We should use the official flag in any case.

In the case of Latvia, I agreed to make the changes because according the Flag of Latvia article, on 1 January 2019 the law that defined the non-fabric flags official color shade entered in force. Before that, since the independence, only the textile version of the flag was used. Therefore, I thought the change was appropriate, and I agreed with ImStevan. In Wikipedia (Template:Country data Latvia), we only have one representation of that textile version (pantone), and I used that.

In the case of France, the Flag of France article reads:

"Article 2 of the French constitution of 1958 states that "the national emblem is the tricolour flag, blue, white, red". No law has specified the shades of these official colours ... The blue stripe has usually been a dark navy blue; a lighter blue (and lighter red) version was introduced in 1976 by President Giscard d'Estaing ... Both versions were used from then on ... On 13 July 2020, President Macron reverted, without any statement and with no orders for other institutions to use a specific version, to the darker ... it was noted that both the darker and lighter flags have been in use for decades"

In this case I agree with Sims2aholic8. Both shades are correct and official and have been used as such. I see the use of a lighter version by president Giscard d'Estaing as a personal choice, since it was not reflected in any official order, and that didn't make it more official than the darker version. I don't know the thinking behind the decision to use the lighter version in the UEFA article in that period, and I don't see the point why we must follow them just because they use that. Therefore, in this case, I don't see a significant improvement in accuracy that justifies the effort of editing zillions of articles to use the lighter version. Sorry. Ferclopedio (talk) 10:22, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not gonna push for it further — IмSтevan ^talk 17:01, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

@ImStevan: @Sims2aholic8: Should this be expanded? Fort esc (talk) 18:10, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Draft in question

I suggested making this article and perhaps moving viewing figures there, but I think the consensus was that viewing figures should be on country by year articles. So this draft just kind of stayed there. I don't know what to do with it — IмSтevan ^talk 19:06, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Eurovision.tv is moving to Eurovision.com (https://eurovision.tv/story/time-update-your-bookmarks-eurofans). Eurovision.tv will remain up until sometime next week. I don't know how many sources we have that rely on Eurovision.tv at the moment - would have thought somewhere in the thousands. Eurovision.com is nowhere near as fully fleshed out, is missing results for every year, has no lyrics, attributes entries to the wrong country - in short it's fucked. So unless they move the entire site within a week which they won't do I think we are going to have to archive all of Eurovision.tv as it is.

Is there any way to do this? Toffeenix (talk) 08:27, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

It seems a lot of links to Eurovision.tv do not have an archive link and will therefore rot, just look at History of the Eurovision Song Contest § References. Updating all of these manually is going to be a pain...

I wonder how script-friendly the Wayback Machine is, maybe it's possible to do this semi-automatically. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 09:34, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

If it helps, they've just said on Reddit that detailed voting results, alongside "new profiles, event histories, logos and media" will be available in February. But that's a while with broken sources Toffeenix (talk) 09:35, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

They also just said here that they will be redirecting the old links, but again that it will take some time. This means it won't be that bad if we fail to update some links, but I'd still rather not go three months with broken links on most Eurovision-related articles. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 10:56, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

I've noticed a certain pattern with edits by Szyign, so I have to ask, are you Szymona Ignatiuka, the founder of ESC Spot? In some instances in which English languaged sources are skipped in your edits, you go straight for the main source (broadcaster), but in others you don't do that, when you decide to cite ESC Spot instead. I picked this pattern up from Eurovision Young Musicians 2026 and Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2025 articles. Not saying that any of this is against the rules, but for the sake of transparency I felt like I had to ask, especially with us recently having a discussion on the reliability of ESC Spot. — IмSтevan ^talk 22:05, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi, yes, I confirm – it's me.

As you noticed, the fact that I am an editor at ESCSpot and also edit Wikipedia is not really against the rules, but for the sake of transparency, I will explain anyway – long before ESCSpot was created, I used to spend time on Wikipedia adding information, so despite starting work on the portal, I decided not to give up this hobby and continue working on it, which is easy to see from the number of edits I make, most of which are not related to Eurovision articles :)

As for sources, now that I think about it, it may have happened that when I didn't have a direct source at hand, I could have used ESCSpot, but it wasn't because I wanted to promote it or anything like that, it was more because I had it at hand first, unintentionally.

Of course, if this is a problem, I will try to pay attention to it in the future and avoid it, I had no bad intentions.

When it comes to non-English sources, I prefer to use them first, because in the case of Eurovision, they are usually more reliable than English ones, but that may be a matter of my personal beliefs.

As for Eurovision Young Musicians 2026, I would say that it's a matter of other websites not covering this topic. Sometimes Eurovoix writes something, and then I try to add them as another source. But for the most part, there is a relative dryness on this topic, which is probably why I end up adding ESCSpot.

As for the discussion about the reliability of ESCSpot, I saw it some time ago, but I decided that my participation in it as a person associated with the website would be inappropriate and unreliable, so I decided not to take part in it.

Best regards! Szyign (talk) 22:24, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I just want to clarify, I wasn't implying that there are bad intentions, nor that anything you're doing is a problem. I was just asking for the sake of transparency. Heck, I'm in the same boat! We discussed my position in Evrovizija.rs a while ago regarding ROTW votes — IмSтevan ^talk 22:28, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

No, no - don't worry, I didn't take it that way, I just wanted to clarify it anyway in case anyone had any doubts! Szyign (talk) 22:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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